Notes
This session was with Kay Shinol, who is also a "resonator" and works with me to further develop the Emissary process, during which she was "stretching" me/Emissary to move into new areas of discussion. Some of the information was quite interesting, touching upon levels or states of consciousness and space/time, death and other issues that might be interesting to track later on.

This is a very long and wide-ranging transcript.

Session

Kay:
It's only been a week, but it seems like a very long time, like time has been stretched or distorted. Do you have any comment about that?

Emissary:
In a larger sense there have been many events that have occurred in the past week that are not unique to the individuals in this room, and the effects of these events has caused some interesting "stretching" of time/space, some shortening, lengthening. Things seem to move quickly, then take a long time, so there is a good deal of malleability to your sense of the ticking of the clock.

Kay:
Is there a way to identify for ourselves this stretching of time so that at a conscious level ego-identities can have an awareness of when it is stretching time, either lengthening it or compacting it? What might some of those signals be?
Obviously, if one sets out to do that that's one thing; on the other hand, I don't feel as if I deliberately set out to do that this past week, and yet I did it. I'm wondering if there are some signals or signs that might have cued me in.

Emissary:
We are interested … curious … as to what your impressions of the time stretching or compressing has been. Does it seem that time has gotten longer for you? Or seeming more compressed?

Kay:
Both of those and also having no meaning at all. I was having a lot of difficulty figuring out what day it is, what time it is. I just seemed to be so totally out of touch with schedules, calendars and clocks, which seemed to be always around. But even if they were there, it was like I would look at them and it just wouldn't register.

Emissary:
Yes, you are still living in your future, are you not? [Kay laughs.] There are some times, particularly this past week, in which your attention has been placed on other times down the road. Of course, in that situation, clocks and calendars have very little meaning. And it becomes possible to become 'unanchored' from what you are referring to as time, in the sense of ticking of clocks and turning of calendars, and so on. Time has a different kind of meaning, you see, than ticking and turning. So, we need to be a little judicious about the choice of term.

Time sense is not necessarily related to the way that you are measuring time, particularly in these days, which as you know are presenting some challenges to the notion of time in the sense of cause and effect relationships. So, in this way, we agree wholeheartedly with some of the expressions of the Peter in terms of what is transpiring in your reality system.

Kay:
You spoke of 'time sense' not being ticking or turning. What might one use to explain or understand the concept of time.

Emissary:
[Slowly, halting] Time sense is … it is related to what you might call your place in time-space. Time-space is in motion and time sense gives you a way of identifying where you are in relation to time-space of the other parts of you. This feels circular. Let me see if there are other ways to express this.

[Long pause, then faster]

Let us try this: For a moment, if we ignore the ticking of a clock or the turning of days, and imagine that this does not exist. You are no longer measuring what you are calling time in this way. You would still have in your body an awareness of its state in time-space. Time and space cannot be separated in this physical reality that you are existing within, that you are creating. It is a built-in function of the cause/effect structure of things. So, even without the ticking and digital readouts, the turning arms/hands, you would still have a sense of your state, your position in terms of time-space. It is the time aspect of time-space to which we are attempting to refer, do you see?

Kay:
So. Time sense refers to the state or location or place of where you are, not necessarily 'when' you are.

Emissary:
'When' is also a part of time sense. 'When' in the sense of, if there is no time, there is still a sense in physical form of a time-space place, position or state … the term state seems to make the most sense in this context. And so, it is not so much to do with 'when,' in terms of past/present, but 'when' in terms of space.

Kay:
So, could we say that when one, an individual, has an awareness of a state, they are in a linear reality and moving in space-time, whether they have numbers to put on or days to put on it, or even longitude and latitude to put on it. They are moving in a linear system at that point?

Emissary:
Or 'not moving' in a linear system. It is not moving forward or backward; it is simply a state that is maybe not transforming or transformative, or have any relationship whatever to cause or effect or movement.

Kay:
So if one decides to – even in a dream state – observe or place ones awareness somewhere, sometime else, then that observation could also become real, too.

Emissary:
Yes.

Kay:
As we're not necessarily only in the position that we find ourselves at times.

Emissary:
And in a certain sense - this might be interesting to think about - if one could completely divorce the ticking and time measurement system that you have in place, divorce oneself from that and become in tune with the time-space state in which one finds oneself, and then identify - or create perhaps - a time space state elsewhere, could become that … in an instant. And thus, you see, space travel.

Kay:
Not only that, but that is also a clue to a way, at least, that we could create our past or our future from this moment, from this present state - the state where the awareness of the observer is. From that point or non-point in space-time, you can and do create all of the other states. And I like that 'time-space state,' rather than some of the other ways…

Emissary:
Yes, and we mention that you can travel through space in this way, you can also travel through time as they are so closely interrelated that a state defines location/state in any other place in your Universe, in your history, in your beingness.

Kay:
So let's talk for a minute about death, or the point at which the conscious mind or the observer or the awareness of space-time shifts from a physical form to a non-physical form or whatever it focuses on. That creation is also space and time travel?

Emissary:
Moving from being alive to abandoning the form? Is this your question?

Kay:
Yes

Emissary:
At that point, at what you are calling death. The concept of time-space becomes irrelevant, because you move, you see, from a linear, dimensional way of being into an non-dimensional way of being. And the state in that sense is no longer applicable to what we are calling time-space.

Kay:
I was thinking of those individuals who do not have an awareness that, in fact, we are creators and that we do make it up as we go. When those people abandon the form, what would they experience if they didn't know or didn't understand that they had died and there is more after that?

Emissary:
You are speaking of the potentiality of movement from being alive and aware through perhaps a 'layer' of being 'unalive' and still aware.

Kay:
Yes, which I believe some religions call Purgatory, space in between, whatever.

Emissary:
Yes. We do understand. What this individual - this theoretical individual - would experience is the shift of - a disconnection with the continuity of the recognition of space-time state. With life there is also a sense of continuity. It is part of the function of cause and effect in a way and relationships/relatingships with others. Once these relationships are broken in death, the individual will become disjointed from any notion of continuity, even though what you are calling ego-identity or awareness of the status would seem to …

It would be experienced as though the continuity were there, but it would be an imaginary continuity. Continuity that is fragmented, fractured, and become somewhat like you are reading a very good book and you look up and four hours would be gone. But their experience would be that the four hours would be gone, whether or not they were reading a book. Or they might fall backward in time, or go sideways in space. But it would all seem to make sense, for a while. Because the faculty of the consciousness that assembles awareness is still intact. So it would assemble experience into a comprehensible experience/awareness.

Over "time" (in quotes), as the multitude of disorganized experience begins to multiply, the capability of organizing awareness would also begin to disintegrate. At that point the individual would begin to be more aware that something is definitely not the same.

Then, at that point, it becomes what would be called a point of decision, a point of power, which the individual recognizing this new situation could essentially choose to remain there or to move on.

Kay:
Would it also have a choice of taking on another form - a full adult form?

Emissary:
Possibly, but the experience would be quite invasive to… We are making an assumption that the individual whose body is in physical reality is suddenly used by this other entity who has chosen not to pass on, but to return strongly to the physical. The experience would be quite invasive to the body and the ego-identity of the one not dead.

Kay:
Yes. There was a theory around 20 years ago. Ruth Montgomery and others called it "Walk Ins," that, in fact, when some people were ready to commit suicide or die, and yet their body wasn't ready to, there would be a time when spirit could walk in and take on that form. You usually could tell because there would be tremendous life changes. [Gave detailed example.]

I was wondering if that … and I'm not sure that's the only way that could happen. I suppose that two ego-identities could share a body. So, I was wondering if that point of decision or point of power, one of the options might be to return to the earth in a form like that or some other way.

Emissary:
Since everything is possible, certainly that would be possible, as well. It would be much cleaner, in the sense of how the energy works, if there were agreement between all of the entities involved. And our sense is that more agreements would be needed in that case of the one you mention than is really comprehensible to physical brain. The list would go on forever.

Kay:
Because you not only have that person's parts and reincarnationals etc., but you also have their personal relationships on the earth and the path they came to walk, and all kinds of things. So, as you say, there would be a lot of agreements.

Emissary:
There would be enough agreements that it would turn out to be quite "miraculous." And that would be one way that the others in form would relate to the change, as being miraculous. Because the wife would not necessarily knowingly agree to this change, you see.

But on an energy level, you are quite correct that alternates and reincarnationals, and all the other matrix of selves would have to really be in agreement. At least the vast majority. Otherwise, the potential for sabotage would be quite enormous.

Kay:
And conflicting parts would really have a heyday, wouldn't they? Whether that theory is accurate or not, I can think of DB, who was a ner-do-well alcoholic who had a near-death experience and is now suddenly a very religious person who writes books, and when he is around others he is quite uplifting.

Emissary:
One of the very important side effects of what you are calling a "near death experience," often is that the individual becomes "plugged in" to the deeper self in a very profound way. And in some cases, the old person - the old way - can be almost forgotten in this new, more enlightened, more fresh, more connected life or living state.

Kay:
So, is the state Gerry is in and the state I go into when Peter speaks, is that like what occurs when we disconnect from space-time and move into the other non-dimension, or whatever?

Emissary:
Possibly. It is not clear how you are thinking of the "afterlife" layer we were expressing earlier. If our images are similar, where this one and you would go, in the sense of going 'anywhere,' would be to the lower levels of this, more close to it in terms of the progression from total physical to total spirit.

Kay:
Is it possible to - in channeling work - to go totally into spirit and still have awareness of what's occurring as you are speaking.

Emissary:
Yes. [a little hesitantly] To a certain point. Beyond which, this one and whomever would find themselves hard-pressed to return. And so, it is possible to move more and more and more that way, and there are some points along the way at which decisions would have to be made in regard to experience of that space.

Kay:
So, there is a sort of point of no return for ego-identities or awarenesses or consciousness…

Emissary:
There is always the possibility of return. As long as body and others, as well as this one [Gerry], are in agreement that the time is to move on, then moving on will be.

There is a point at which there is a challenge for the identity - the personal entity, this one, you or others - to simply ignore what others may think and move on. One could consider the karmic cost of doing such a thing, said humorously.

Kay:
I would agree. And is the quality of the channeling served by getting as close to that point of no return or that point of deciding, or is that a factor at all?

Emissary:
[Emphatically:] Not so much a factor. To some extent it is, but to carry the analogy too far would not be helpful. As this one moves out (in terms of out), the communication between Emissary: and others can be clearer. There is less interference in the sense of - back to the energy vibrations again - as this one moves further away, the vibrations are less intrusive. But past a certain point, you see, the effect is so infinite (very small) that it is not useful any more. And it is well this side - in those terms - of the decision point to abandon the form.

Kay:
Introduces the analogy of plugs, and asks whether removing a certain number of plugs would benefit, or removing all of them. But that would leave the individual just "floating out there."

Emissary:
The analogy would be similar to: if there were 100 plugs, and some of them go to brain, some to eyes, some to legs, some to other parts of body. Some go to more critical systems: the heart beat, heart rate and so on, you can imagine all the plugs that we could be referring to. Many of the plugs could be pulled, some in terms of awareness, thinking process, and so on could be removed - and this, of course, is negotiated. So, at a certain point, for example, unplugging the autonomic system would not assist. Unplugging half of the plugs would not be of use. If you were to pull the key 10 or 12, substantial communication could be enhanced. Three or four more, a little more, but then past this, there is no real benefit.

We are stretching our imagination with this analogy. Please do not take our numbers as being substantial.

Kay:
[Laughing] Yes. I would say that Gerry has experienced and is at a good level in terms of the ones and numbers of plugs. What is your perspective in terms of that?

Emissary:
His state is really quite good for this vibration. As we have spoken before, there are different vibrational frequencies, waves, that would require more unplugging .. or in my (Emissary's) analogy, moving further away to remove even further the wave connection.

Kay:
Where would we be able to define what's happening in terms of Gerry's shamanic work, if we were to lay that concept on this movement away, on this going away. Are we there now? Would Gerry go further away, less far?

[Long pause]

Kay:
And feel free to define Gerry's shamanic work, if you want to.

Emissary:
This is where we were headed. The pause has to do with how to define what is being called the 'shamanic work' and this brings us to the whole discussion of life purpose and those sorts of things. It is quite a large topic, and cannot be easily described because it changes.

Let us say that, in a very real sense, this one [Gerry] has come into this existence to express a powerful shamanic vision of energy and its interrelatedness to physical space. It is quite a task, if you can imagine. Whether this one will be able to fully complete this task or not, is unseeable, and in a sense is not meaningful.

Let us express this vision. The work this one is doing, and the intensity of the energy this one brings to the forefront, and the intent of this one to express as fully as possible all of his energetic abilities, creates a situation in which one lifetime cannot contain. Do you see?

And so the shamanic intent/focus, is literally spread out into past and present selves, and in some cases is redefining the existence of both past and present selves, as well as creating new.

Kay:
What about future? Is it only past and present?

Emissary:
Past and future. We meant to say, past and future as well as present. Yes. It is moving in all directions.

Kay:
So the shamanic work, then, spans to all the energy essence of the one that in this particular incarnation is known as Gerry.

Emissary:
Yes, not necessarily all, but certainly a large number, and adjustments are constantly made.

Kay:
Could we say shamanic work involves energy work?

Emissary:
Absolutely. The curious part of the term 'shamanic' is that it has a particular definition in your vocabulary. And perhaps his vocabulary. We probably need to make a distinction. What this one refers to as shamanic work is a code word for energy work. And whether accurate or not, this one sees what he is calling shamanic work to be integrating energy. Shamans integrate energy; that is what they do. Combining, weaving spirit and physical together. In whatever form that may take: rattles, drums, dancing, and so on, that are recorded in anthropological records. That is part, but what is really going on is the energy work. So this is the focus and why this one refers to it as shamanic work. This definition will need to be adjusted.

Kay:
Yes, and if we define Gerry's work as shamanic work and that equals 'energy work,' could we say that the focus on weaving various patterns in the energy work, connecting with patterns in existence perhaps - guiding, leading, dancing with patterns he encounters - would those kind of give some notion as to how this can be presented?

Emissary:
Yes. All of the above. And in addition, and perhaps as a result, this one is particularly focused on assisting individuals to weave their own connections. And so this one is not tuned in to the imposing of definition or spirit on physical, but more assisting the weaving of others and opening awareness to the weaving as it is being done.
And also, this one is quite good at creating structures, as well. Creating structures out of energy.

Kay:
Give me an example of what you mean.

Emissary:
In the sense that what is imagined is real, this one has a facility to create what one might call imaginary vistas, imaginary situations, and infuse them with energy sufficient to make them alive, though not physical necessarily. This may come; we do not know. It would be like playing with toys.

Kay:
Alive in terms of their effect, their implications, their impact, their experience by others? In other words, would this be only for Gerry, or would it also be part of the world that Gerry creates.

Emissary:
Part of the world. Part of what experience is of others as well as this one. And when we speak of alive, we mean also with capability of making choices, having free will and existence in its own right. And, these creations, these structures, will be of a nature to be helpful in the process of asssisting others to awaken, understand the weaving and moving for themselves, as well.

Kay:
So these structures would become dimensional, or have the potential of becoming dimensional so that they could be sensorially experienced?

Emissary:
Potentially.

Kay:
In building these structures, is he using energy to build them?

Emissary:
Yes.

Kay:
And his patterns, the patterns which he creates on which to build these structures, are these created by Gerry, imagined by him, are they communicated, group consensus?

Emissary:
This takes us into a very large discussion about the structure, of how such structures are created; and we do not mean to say that this one is the only one who does this, for example. It is simply that, a 'switch' has been flipped, a 'key turned,' a 'light come on,' these sorts of things for this one in this lifetime that this is possible. And once that awareness is there, the possibility of it, of course, it becomes possible, it becomes real. And the energy work this one brings infuses that potentiality with sufficient force to make it work well and to serve.

Kay:
So he could actually infuse into a structure someone else or some other energy had created or devised.

Emissary:
Possibly.

[Personal information deleted.]

Kay:
You spoke earlier of imaginative and imaginatory sensations, and I had a fleeting sense in passing. We in form often consider imagination or imaginative states as being not real, or less real, or somehow fantasy. Kind of non-physical is the most neutral way of saying it. And you were speaking of when the form is abandoned or when we are approaching that point of totally unplugging and abandoning the form … that state the consciousness is in could be called an imaginative state…

Emissary:
Or imaginary.

Kay:
Or imaginary. And then when the decision is made, that becomes the real and its almost as if this life here, or this plane, becomes imaginatory. So they kind of switch roles? Is that accurate?

Emissary:
In a way, it is accurate, in the sense that your definition of the term 'imaginatory' is a judgement. You are - not you specifically, but those in form - make a judgement of what is and what is not of the imagination. In reality, all is of the imagination, and none of it is of the imagination, as well. It is simply a matter of how one defines the imaginative.

Kay:
I was more curious from an energy perspective what is imagination and imaginatory state as opposed as to my perspective. In terms of energy, how is energy different?

Emissary:
Energy is not different.

Kay:
Imaginatory states would be the same in energy terms as any other.

Emissary:
Perhaps, if we understand the question correctly. This chair is energy, and it is defined as being non-imaginatory because this one sits and touches and feels it. From an energy perspective, it is just energy.

Kay:
Except when he is at his house and he is imagining the chair he sat in. Would it then play a different role in his structure of reality, even though in an energy sense it is the same?

Emissary:
You are speaking, when this one returns home and remembers?

Kay:
And then starts thinking about this chair, he can put lots of sensory information in it and take from it, but he is not sitting in that chair.

Emissary:
This is true.

Kay:
So, in terms of this reality system, or this dimension, it would be like he is imagining it from where he is over there in space-time. In an energy sense, it's the same whether he is imagining it over there or sitting in it over here.

Emissary:
The chair is no less real simply because he is not here.

Kay:
Right. To his ego-identity, when he's home, it plays a different role in his structure of reality in that he is not sitting in it; while here, it plays a different role because he sits in it among other things.

Emissary:
Yes. This refers in part back to what we were speaking earlier in terms of space-time states. The state here is different from there, but that makes the chair no less real. And if this one conjures a ball of energy and infuses it with sufficient energy to make it alive, even though you do not see it, it is no less real. It is not dependent … the reality of it is not dependent upon your perception.

Kay:
Right. OK. So imagination is the creative end of energy experience, as opposed to the perception, the perceptive end.

Emissary:
Yes.

Kay:
OK. Good.

Emissary:
Good! That is good!

Kay:
Well, that's good, because I like to think of imagination as a form of communication, or like sharing of energy. Imagination to me is not a thing, it is a process.

Emissary:
Yes.

Kay:
OK, Cool. And what role does journaling play at this point in his development. And if Gerry's getting tired we can stop. We've been going about an hour and 10 minutes. Just rattling on.

Emissary:
Yes, and we are enjoying the ride.

[Personal information about another individual who also channels deleted.]

Kay:
Oh, yes. I was thinking of it as just the opposite of that. That maybe she had made that deeper plunge, and in fact, she has managed to stay on the surface even more than she was before at times.

Emissary:
That is a possibility, and there are many in form (incarnate) now that have that capability. This is not one. But to answer your question, there are individuals who have that capability of "floating on the surface," and you will know them by their feeling, by their energy, by their look, how they present themselves in the world. There are many clues.

Do they sleep at night? [Humorously] One does not know, but they are capable of staying quite connected most of the time. A great majority of the time.

Kay:
You mentioned that you'll recognize them. I suppose in an energy sense that that's even more apparent, no matter what the outward appearance might be. My suspicion is that the really deep spiritual beings among us are the children, and when we come upon or find within ourselves that childlikeness, we open far more potential for reaching those depths, than if we become logical and "grown up" adults.

Emissary:
Yes, and yet there is a great deal to be said for the maturity of going through the process and maintaining that childlike innocence, if you will, childlike connection into adulthood and into later adult life, as well. And there are these as well, of course.

Kay:
I think that's why they say you return to your second childhood when you age. When you gain maturity, you've gained the wisdom, then you become childlike again in those twilight years.

Emissary:
This also refers to loss of memory, needing to be taken care of, etc., etc.

Kay:
[Laughs.] Yes, I suppose there's that too.

[End of tape]