Notes
The sound on the tape was affected in many places, particularly during K's comments, by a soft but audible roaring. Perhaps the ceiling fan was on. I have extracted as much of her questions and commentary as possible.

Session

Emissary:
Our understanding of our work this morning is to look at or explore some of the issues related to our work with this one. Also, he has the idea of exploring "Time" as perhaps a point of clarification of what could become some of our future work together. We say "could become" because, of course, nothing is fixed in stone. We will traverse diverse roads as we move forward in "time" with you, together or separately.

Where should we begin? Would you like to being at the beginning of "no time?"

K:
Sounds like a good place to begin.

Emissary:
If we look at the issue of Time and we focus pretty much specifically on the way that Time flows and develops, we must generally speaking, make the following distinction. There is a difference between what "we" think of, or refer to, as Time and what you and others think of as "time." It is almost unfortunate that the two words are so similar. One is, of course, a reflection of the other. As Time itself is expressed from the realm that we have referred to as "No Time" into the physical reality system, Time takes on a physical dimension. It is literally a dimension, as you have constructed it over the last many millenia.

So, the "time" that you deal with in an everyday, ordinary existence, we might refer to as Calendar Time, rather than Time with a capital "T." Do you see?

K
Yes. So that is one way for us to make the distinction in our discussions.

Emissary:
Calendar Time also refers to what we have referred to in the past as the "ticking" aspect of time. That part that attempts to "chop up" your day into discrete segments, such as hours, minutes, seconds, nanoseconds, and so on. This is a part of the structure of what we would call Calendar Time. And Calendar Time is, of course, valuable. It is the aspect that you have often spoken of when you think of "time is a construct that keeps everything from happening at once." That is Calendar Time and it has a very valuable function within the physical reality system.

So, when we speak of Calendar Time, think of it that way. When we speak of time, think of it quite differently.

So, with that distinction, let us begin with "no time." Let us make one further distinction. When we speak of Time, we are speaking of an aspect of the created worlds - of creation - that actually does not refer to things like "beginnings" and "endings." It is quite different from that, but the only way that we can communicate with you, many issues of no time or those things of creation that are what we would think of as "below the matrix," then we have to have some reference points. And the only one that really makes sense is to look at things in terms of "In the beginning." Recognize that there is really no beginning and there is no end. You can think of it as a circle, if you wish.

There is a symbol of the snake or the lizard, eating its own tail. It is quite like that. It goes around and around. It has no beginning and no end, except that the snake has a head and it has a tail. But in the distinction of the circle, it makes no difference.

K:
There's something I've had trouble with conceptually is that it comes back around, and yet it is not the same; it's still different. It doesn't necessarily come back around to the same place. The head and tale are connected, but it has a head and a tail.

Emissary:
In some ways that is true, and it is part of the "spinning of time into Calendar Time" When you say that, for example, [when] the serpent's head comes around to the tail it has changed, you may think of it as "spiraling" and getting larger, or different, as you say. And that is part of the way that Time expresses itself into Calendar Time. Everything is created from "no time." [repeats] Everything is created from "no time." As it moves from "no time" - that "no dimensionality" - into the physical expression that you know of as your experiential existence, including time, it goes through many phases. It is "unfolding" into reality.

And so, as you look deeper into the issues, when you look "below" reality to the matrix, and you look below the matrix into the myriad layers beneath it, you find that there is a finer and finer distinction as the "hard" reality system rather "blurs" as it moves backward into the "no time state."

If we look at "no time," if we look at non-dimensionality, non-dimensional existence, it can be said that non-dimensional existence happens all the time - happens in all places all at once, is never beginning and is never ending. This is why it is said that everything is One, when, in fact, it certainly is. But the instant that the first distinction is made, the first dimensional definition or definition is made, everything is set infinitely apart.

K:
Is that where time begins?

Emissary:
Not completely. Calendar time begins somewhat later. "Time" time is also part of the non-dimensionality. It is part of that infinitely small and infinitely large seed, which became and is everything.

Looking at the non-dimensional space, the no-time space, which are literally the same, that is again a distinction: if you say no-time-space and no-time-time, then you are making a distinction, which does not exist in that seed of non-dimensionality. That literally is everything, altogether at once without limit and without beginning or end. It simply Is. It is part of what the Peter speaks of when he says, "Energy Is." Energy is one way of naming that no-time, no-place, non-dimensional seed. Do you see?

K:
No space. No time. No place. No distinction.

Emissary:
Yes. You can think of it as a singularity that has no edge. Your scientists look at the same sort of issue when they look back into what they think of as "time" and try to determine where it all begins. Where they wind up is with "no time." They begin with the seed. Their description of how the universe is created from that seed is flawed in the sense that they are looking through their physical belief systems, their physical understanding, and they are interpreting the events that lead up to or follow the time of the first distinction, and define it in terms of a "big bang." That is the only thing that they can relate to. Do you see?

K:
There's some seed of truth in the Big Bang? It is filtered.

Emissary:
You can think of it like a metaphor. The Big Bang is essentially a metaphor for what happens - [repeats] happens - on a spiritual level when the first distinction is made. Now, we can tell you that this first distinction, if you were to look back in Calendar Time, you scientists beginning, their point of the Big Bang, is literally billions of what you would measure as "years" later than the original beginning, because, you see, even the Big Bang was based upon movement within that energy space.

[You can think of it as "spirit," if you wish. The label is really individual and unique. It is simply energy; it is simply the awareness of the no-time state, the Creator, if you wish.]

K:
So it existed long before there was ever distinction or the Big Bang.

Emissary:
You can think of it this way. We will use the term "Creator," even though you may use any term you wish to designate it, fitting with your own belief systems. It has no limitations.

So, let us say that the Creator exists in a realm that is no-time and no-space and no-dimensionality. It is and always has been forever. At one point, the Creator became aware of itself, and that was the first distinction. When the Creator, became aware of itself, then the universes were made, and they were made instantly and everywhere at once.

It can be seen, if you think of it that way, that "spirit" then exploded into whatever was outside of that distinction. A distinction was made and the external world was created to encompass it. That external world encompassing it became it, and it became everywhere and everything at once. But is was, quite literally, not anything that can be referred to in a physical way.

So, if we are to think of beginnings and continuances - continuums - the Creator became aware of itself, and everything is created at once. If you turn that a little bit and apply to it concepts of beginning and ending in order to create a continuum to see how things "unfolded," you see that is also a continuum, then this is basically what we find. The Creator, in distinguishing itself from itself, began to wonder what it is that is "out there."

"If I am I, what is not-I? I know I, I am known. What is the unknown?"

And it became the intent, then, of the Creator to know itself, to make the unknown more of the unknown. Another way to put it is to "enlarge the known to encompass the unknown," and it can be seen to be thought of as incrementally. In other words, the known grow into the unknown.

K:
So you are saying that as the Creator knows more of itself, the known grows. But there is a lot of unknown. That is part of the Creator also, but it doesn't know that?

Emissary:
Creator knows everything, because Creator is everything.

K:
Part of it must not know, if it is seeking to know the unknown.

Emissary:
And that is the paradox, you see? It is part of the confusion. That is, that the Creator knowing everything cannot not know. How can there be an unknown within the knowing of everything? But, in fact, it is so!

Because, and this is the core of much confusion, as long as you are referring to no-time, to that no-time, no-space, non-dimensional state, Creator knows everything. And nothing is happening. The moment you make the first distinction, the Creator, then, does not know everything. And so that is why, when you get into discussions about things like All-That-Is, then you become instantly confused, because you become lost in the paradox.

You can say that the created universe is a paradox. It is a paradox, it has always been and always will be a paradox. It's the nature of its existence. Do you see?

K:
I've been hitting my head against that for what seems like forever. In some ways the known and unknown within our ego-identities is a small reflection of the Creator's….

Emissary:
Yes! It is, in fact, an exact mirror of what the - not necessarily "mirror," but a reflection - a reflection of the initial dilemma, the initial paradox. That paradox exists through all creation because it is part of the creation. If you were not in a paradoxical state, you would not be in dimensional reality, do you see?

K:
Say, would you say for your own reality that you are not in the paradox.

Emissary:
Of course we share the paradox! Of course! Everything does. Everything shares in the paradox. You can say that, and speaking specifically about Emissary energy, you can say that Emissary has access to all knowledge, and yet, Emissary does not have access to all knowledge. Do you see? Emissary, in a sense, learns - through experimentation, through trial and error, through experience. In the way that Emissary energy is expanding into the reality system, there is a great deal to learn. And that implies that Emissary does not have access to all information, and yet, that energy does.

K:
So as you move through the different levels, through the matrix, through no-time into non-dimensionality, at the very beginning there is no paradox at that point?

Emissary:
Yes. That is correct. There is no paradox, because there is no separation, no distinction. The implications of no-time, no-space, no-dimensionality, which are all the same thing, are phenomenal. And that is what creates the paradox.

K:
But at some point, I feel that I am not equipped to conceptualize that at all.

Emissary:
Exactly so. Exactly so.

K:
I can put all these words on it and say this and that, and the language is woefully inadequate. And I try to feel it, you know get the feeling state of it, and I can't even get that. Just

Emissary:
Yes, and that, K, is the very core of our insistence on the separation of any discussion in regards to that singularity - that no-time, no-space, non-dimensional singularity (and to save words, we shall refer to it as the "singularity." Is this agreeable?). To make the distinction between that singularity and everything else in discussion is critically important because it is [emphatically] not possible for an energy being to "get it," to really understand it.

Your confusion is perhaps greater than some levels of existence, because you are quite a part of this dimensional creation. Your brain and all of your experience is supported by the physical structure, which makes it literally impossible, from that point of view, to comprehend what the singularity actually means. Therefore, it is a strong suggestion on our part that you simply understand that there is the singularity. There is that place within the "center of creation," for lack of a better term, that is consistent. It is forever, and it has no qualities.

K:
Would that be where the vortex collapses?

Emissary:
Not in our understanding of what is meant by the term "the collapsing vortex." We are speaking of a real place, and you can speak of vortexes collapsing in many different contexts. You can think of it, perhaps, as if all creation, the vortex of all creation were to collapse, then it would become, once again, the singularity.

You experience many mini-collapses, which are simply a reflection of that potential. There is the potential for all of creation to collapse back into the singularity, but let us say that once the first distinction is made, you can't "get it back into the box." Do you see?

K:
I'm not sure I want to get it back into the box. I like it like this.

Emissary:
And there are those who would prefer to be within the singularity and not to have the struggle of dealing with the paradox and dimensionality, and right and wrong, and third and fourth dimensionalities and so on. To them it is quite "hard" to deal with. We speak not only of those [in] physical reality, but also there are many energy beings who actually would long to return to that singularity. And they do, in fact, sometimes feel "trapped," but at the same time, energy beings exist in a state of infinite joy. And so, that is part of their paradox.

Paradox exists throughout all creation. It is basic and fundamental. This one [Gerry] at one point came across a statement that is useful, and that is "if it is a paradox, it is probably true."

K:
[Laughs] Because it reflects the reality at all levels.

Emissary:
Yes. And once you grasp that idea, then you can think of it as the linear, logical view of things collapses because the paradox, in a logical framework, means "untruth," do you see? And so, in order to grasp and hold onto that phrase, that "paradox is true," one must make a leap out of logic.

[Pause]

K:
This reminded me of something that Gerry and I discussed in relation to the progression of events in a continuum with regard to planet Earth and things that have happened here. We were talking about the appearance of humans and dinosaurs and the timeframes there. There were some very specific figures given in regard to 6 million years for human energies and hundreds of millions of years for other animal energies, like the dinosaurs. The problem with the logic was: how could the human energies be involved in the experiment with the dinosaurs and the creation of the Earth, when in fact they didn't appear until much later.

Emissary:
We understand the "paradox" - the issue. Trust us, we will not continue to fall back on "the paradox" any more than we will continue to fall back on "we are all one and all that is."

Let us then, in responding to that return to the beginning, when the first distinction was made. One of the key issues is that [pause] It moves. What It is is open to interpretation. It could be energy. It could be the questioning of the Creator. It could be anything that you wish to put upon it. Spirit is one way of explaining or naming it. It moves, and it moves in a straight fashion. But not linear in terms of the linearity of dimensionality.

It is as though It moves out in all directions at once, but it can also be referred to as a single, straight line. So you can think of it in any way that works for you. You can think of that as expanding outwardly in all directions, or you can think of it as a "beginning" and moving in a linear fashion out. It does not meander; it moves linearly. It is simply a movement of the constant expansion.

K:
A vector?

Emissary:
Yes. Like a vector, a straight line, or a beam of light. Light can be seen to be going in all directions, and it can also be seen to be one line. And so, we can look at it in any way that you wish. This one [Gerry] is rather more attuned to the beam, rather than the expansion in all directions, but we will go back and forth as needed to try to make our point.

K:
I can see the light in all directions to a certain point, and then I know that I can't get my arms around it.

Emissary:
Yes. It becomes quite difficult to grasp.

So. Let us say the seeking of the Creator moves in a straight line. The seeking is constantly incorporating more elements of "unknown" into the "known," so that you can imagine that the "known" is growing, following along the lines of where it is pursuing the "unknown."

As it does so, it is not singular in its pursuit. The nature of that expansion is that is creative. It is creative. And as the known expands, more and more is created. We are not yet speaking of physical creation; we are speaking of what you could refer to as "spiritual" or "etherial" creation, something "sub" physical.

This, after some time, is where we refer to as energy beings comes into play. The Creator, in its search to expand its knowledge of itself, creates for its own purposes - not by accident, but because of the nature of creation - it creates mirrors of itself. It creates images in its own reflection. These are what we are referring to as energy beings.

Energy beings, once created as everything that is created, has experience, has its own free will, has its own "seeking" to understand itself. It is a reflection of the Creator. And so, in that respect, each energy being, then, becomes a Creator. Do you see?

If you think of it as the energy beings are holographic representations of the Creator, each an exact replica, but each also with its own internal sense of awareness, its own internal sense of its own beingness, its own free will, its own intent - it is a fully functioning creation. Fully functioning creation.

K:
With its own expansion into the larger…

Emissary:
Exactly so! Because one of the ways the Creator is exploring and bringing in the unknown is through the use of the energy beings. As the energy beings look for answers for themselves, they already have within them the known, and they are moving also into the unknown. And so they are cooperative. You can think of them as cooperatively exploring with and for, or on behalf of, the Creator.

It is very incredible. It is potentially incomprehensible. But you can [comprehend it]. You see, there is a difference. You can comprehend a universe filled, literally filled to the brim with energy beings. You can comprehend that, you see? Whereas, it is impossible to comprehend the singularity.

K:
Yeah, yeah.

Emissary:
Because the singularity has no reference points; it has no aspects that your physically-oriented, dimensionally-oriented consciousness can latch onto. It has no aspects. That is why it is so incomprehensible. But energy beings are part of the dimensional creation, and so you can latch onto them. You can think of them as having a beginning, but they do not have an end, because the line [of seeking or awareness] is moving forward; it does not go back. And so, the energy beings are forever.

K:
So, there was the singularity and the expansion, more becoming known and more creations becoming known. And energy beings coming out of being part of that creation. Energy beings being with consciousness. Would that necessarily mean "awareness" on the par of ….

Emissary:
Yes. Everything created has awareness.

K:
Then at some point the physical manifestation.

Emissary:
Ah! We are getting there. You are a good student; you are leading the teacher quite well.

So. Then, let us look at the level - we can think of it as a "level" -- of energy beings. Let us pause for just a moment.

If you think of it in terms of a linear expansion, energy beings fairly shortly after the initial awareness, the initial question by the Creator. Fairly "soon" after that, in terms of "time." Now, if you look at it as more expanding in all directions, then you can think of it as: there is a "layer" of this expansion, at which the energy beings began to exist. They "emerged into" existence. And "emerged into" is actually quite a better description than "beginning," do you see? They "emerged into" their layer.

K:
I'm thinking of an atom according to our definition of a center, different layers.

Emissary:
That is one way to look at it, particularly if you look at the pre-quantum idea of layers of energy shells. The quantum physics rather brought that into awareness. You can think of it that way; it is a good proxy or metaphor for what we are speaking of. There are different "shells," and the shells depend upon the amount of energy that is contained within the shell. Once the energy reaches a certain point, then everything moves to a higher level. You can think of it that way, and there are some similarities. But, we would rather not go into that at this point. Think of it now as a bit more smooth. More continuous.

You can think of it, then, as energy beings occupying a "layer" within the expansion of the creation. Now. Let us choose a particular energy being and take a look at where this leads us.

The energy being is a direct reflection of the Creator. It is aware, and it is also self-aware. It knows certain things, and it knows that there is an unknown, as well. What the energy being does is exactly the same as what the Creator does, and that is it creates. As it seeks information, as it seeks to bring the unknown into its own known, then it also creates. It not only creates what you think of as your physical representation, what some are calling ego or ego-identity, it creates other kinds of energies. [Repeats] It creates other kinds of energies.

Now. [Fairly slowly and deliberately:] Let us say that at a certain point in the expansion, the energy beings all got together and they decided that it would be interesting to try some new things to bring more of the unknown into the known. "We shall try an experiment. I wonder what would happen," said the leader of this group, "if we were to take the dimensionality to such an extent that it would be the very foundation of an existence. What would that be like?"

And so, the energy beings constructed what you could call the sub-physical matrix. It is a creation of the energy beings.

Now. Having recognized the possibility, it happened instantly, and the matrix was formed. In the beginning, the matrix had no form. It was simply potential. And as the energy beings began to recognize - literally to create - the properties of the matrix, they found themselves, because their way of being is joy, playing with the concepts in the structures and potentialities of this sub-physical matrix.

This sub-physical matrix cannot be seen in only one way. It is not one-dimensional by any means. It is infinitely dimensional, because that is the nature of all creation - to stretch itself into infinity. So, the matrix, in the beginning, is so multidimensional that it becomes difficult for even the energy beings to manage.

You can think of it as, the energy beings, then, took on the matrix as a project. And they began to play with the different potentialities of the different dimensions of the matrix. It is not really this way, but it makes more sense to express it this way. Some of the energy beings decided to specialize in a certain "range" of the dimensions. Some of them may say, "I will take these 13 dimensions and play with the matrix within those dimensions." Others took different dimensional layers or aspects of the matrix and went to "do their own thing," do you see?

So, we are not using the word specialized, but this one [Gerry] is rather insistent on the idea [laugh?]

K:
I'm wondering if that created sub-matrices within the larger matrix. I know at some point it is all one. But different sub-matrices that would lead to development of physical reality like what I know and other times realities that are different.

Emissary:
Yes, and you are close. You are close. You can think of it as the different - our difficulty is with the term "sub-matrices" because, in reality, there is no "sub" anything. But think of it this way: one range of dimensionality can create one physical reality system with certain rules, laws, aspects, and so on. Another set will create a reality with different rules and laws. They are not better or worse, simply different.

Whenever a "subgroup" of energy beings decided, for example, and we will use your dimensionality as a practical example, they chose to work within primarily four or five or eleven different dimensions in which to focus their playfulness. Now, another subgroup chose different sets of dimensions to play with. And some of them may overlap, do you see?

K:
And there are infinite sets.

Emissary:
There are infinite sets as the dimensionality is infinite. And so the energy beings chose what "range" - thinking of them as radio frequencies - of frequencies they wanted to play with, and so on. That gets away from the "sub-layer" problem.

[Pause]

Now. This is part of what is reflected in your stories and in your understandings of beings who exist on other planets. Whether they exist on another "planet" within the physical reality system that you are now experiencing or not, the ideas that feed your search for living beings on other planets is more or less a reflection of the understanding and knowledge that there are other "realms." You speak of them that way, as well. So when you are speaking of other realms, other realities, and so on, basically what you are doing is speaking about the differences in the matrices - the difference in ranges.

And so, as the expansion continues, at this point, we have different realities and dimensions and groups of dimensions and so on that are being created on the "frontier." More of the unknown being brought in through experimentation and playfulness.

Given that, let us look, then, at the energy beings that chose to focus on the matrix that eventually will lead to the emergence of your physical reality system.

As the energy beings played with the dimensionality of the matrix and sought to try new things, and also in pursuit of, remember, the question "what would it be like to create a system or a reality that is dominated by dimensionality?" So, as they were pursuing this, having created the matrix, it became another step to infuse more dimensionality within the matrix itself. And the dimensionality "focused itself" into the first three dimensions that you are knowing.

You understand what they are?

K:
Are you talking about time and space?

Emissary:
No. Not yet. Think of it in terms of width and depth and height. That is a basic level of dimensions, even as you think of it. Another level that you have named is "time," but we are not addressing time at this point. More of the dimensions were infused into the matrix, and as the energy going into that increased, then the dimensionality - the intent to create dimensionality itself - began to structure the matrix in such a way that it, too, becomes creative.

And so, the intent of the energy beings, focused upon the matrix, creates it in such a way that it, too, becomes creative. And its purpose is the experience and experiment of dimensionality. One way to do this is to create a "stage" or "platform" in which the energy beings and the matrix itself can experience directly what it is like to be dimensional. This is the very, very beginning of what you think of as physical reality.

So, you see we have covered a great deal of ground from the singularity to this point, which its reflection is what your scientists think as the "Big Bang." It was not that way, but you see, the story of the Big Bang is a reflection of all of this progress to incorporate the unknown into the known.

K:
[Laughs] That is a big chunk!

Emissary:
Yes. It brings us to a point at which your scientists, we believe, have pegged to 15 billion years, or something on that order, of your time as they look back through their telescopes to the earliest point of physical existence. Interestingly enough, although they think that the physical universe began at a single point and is expanding outward forever, they cannot pinpoint where the center of this universe really is. It seems to be everywhere. And this has led some of your scientists to think of your universe as actually being inside of a black hole. It is quite a leap of logic, but in some ways it does make some sense.

But the point is that your scientists have a great deal of difficulty finding where the center where this Big Bang would have taken place, had it taken place.

[End of tape side one]

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