Notes
This is the second of what appears to be unfolding as a series of "focused" sessions on particular topics. Still having some difficulty with microphone placement or background noise covering K's questions or comments. I have reconstructed them as best I can make them out.

I have also not included many of the "and" and "so" comments Emissary sometimes uses in the beginning of a sentence or thought. Removing these seems to help with readability without changing the meaning of the message. Emissary also mentions the need to take a look at rearranging this transcript for clarity, due to the nature of the non-linear nature of the information. This version is not rearranged.

Session

KD:
Did you have anything in particular in mind that you would like to discuss today, or should we continue where we left off last time?

Emissary:
Yes, in a way, we will continue where we left off last time, but we will also change gears once again. Before we do so, it might be of interest to you that your tiredness, your weariness or your feeling of lack of energy resulting from our last conversation comes from an interesting phenomenon that sometimes occurs when dealing with the issues of time. Because you see, as we are talking in this space, in this time-space-state, we are dealing with issues in such a way that as we discuss them, we literally move forward and backward in time. Our energy bodies do this, not necessarily the physical relationships to the room or to the building or city and so on. Energy bodies are not so restricted by these kinds of structures.

So, as we were conversing, our energy bodies did some "time traveling." And sometimes this "stretching" - you can think of it as stretching - of the energy can result in an unusual expenditure of energy, or at least a sense of that. So, when our conversation ended, you were feeling the effects of "snapping back," in a way - or coming back more fully into physical reality - and sometimes that can be experienced as lack of energy.

It can also be experienced from time-to-time as excessive energy, depending upon the topic being discussed and the relationship between the individual and the issue, and the - for lack of a better term - "entity" doing the discourse.

KD:
You know, I had noticed an energy surge after some sessions. I felt pretty good about my own energy flow during the last session.

Emissary:
Your energy "rides with us" as we move through the currents of information. So it is not the same as giving away your energy to another individual, you see? It is participating in the exploration, which is different from other experiences that you have. It is also a good way of learning about your boundaries. Your intuition was that this was not the same. Your fear suggested that "Oh, no, I have done it again." Your intuition said, "No, it is not the same." That is part of learning for you as well.

Another thing that we would like to mention is that when we use the term express, it is a word that is chosen specifically. To us, expressing is not simply saying. Saying is a different thing. If Emissary says to you one thing, expresses to you means something somewhat different. And so part of what would suggest is that as we move through our dialogs and discussions together, you might take notice of the differences in the use.

Expressing, literally means making physically manifest. It is something that is, in terms that we have used in the past, something that is below the surface in expressing itself into reality, into the physical system. So, when Emissary uses the term "express," think of it that way and explore for a moment what it is that is being expressed. Do you see?

KD:
I think so.

Emissary:
You will more than likely now be more alert, which is why we brought the issue up.

[Pause. Emissary made a soft, barely audible breathing sound like "Ahhh Sha."]

Unless you have questions, we believe that is enough groundwork for the day.

KD:
I'm ready.

Emissary:
The next "Topic" (capital T and in quotes) is taking a look at what we are calling Energy Beings. Energy Beings are a very important structure or aspect of creation that needs to be well understood before we can move much further in this conversation.

[Long pause.]

ebs are sometimes referred to as "higher selves" or - the Peter uses the term we are not quite finding in reference to, not ego-identity, but the Self? [Pause.] Yes, it is a common block, apparently.

So, we will begin with our description, and perhaps the Peter's term will come to us in time. As we were discussing this last time together, in this process of creation, which is really the expressing of the Creator's intent or desire to know itself, a certain point arose at which the development or creation of the Energy Beings became inevitable and crucial, because the Creator reached this point at which a myriad of creators was required in order to continue to map out the unknown more efficiently. Thus, the Energy Beings came into being.

The nature of the Energy Beings is the nature of the Creator. They are mirrors of - reflections of - the Creator: its intentions, its desires, its self-awareness, its creativity, its flexibility, its freedom. And so, each of the Energy Beings can be seen as Creators in and of themselves.

Now, the Energy Beings also are connected. All Energy Beings are connected to each other all the time. And the communication between and among them happens instantaneously and all at once. They can sometimes be thought of as being parts of one being, for indeed they really are.

The Energy Beings, as we have said in the past, exist in a state that you would call joy. They are fully expressed joyfulness and playfulness. One thinks of children, but these would be very "godlike" children. Do you see? And they have among themselves feelings for one another, as well. Feelings in the sense that they vibrate at certain frequencies … and like frequencies match, different frequencies, and so on. So you can think of them as forming "families," or "groups," if you wish. And yet all of them are the same. They are all one. They vibrate differently, but they are all vibration and they are all connected in the same way with each other and with what we have to this point called the Creator.

A quick step backwards to look at one thing, and that is that what we have referred to as the Creator in our previous discussion is a Being, an awareness, that has no name. It is unnamed, but it is not unnamable. You may place any name upon this awareness, this original awareness that you wish. And sometimes it helps to name it according to context. For example, the last time we referred to it as the Creator, this time we can refer to it as the Original One, because in this context Original One, indicates that there are others, which in this case would be the Energy Beings. Do you see?

KD:
Whereas last time we were talking about the creation of the universe as we know it.

Emissary:
It is an important point, because as we begin to call this Original One by different names, we would not like for that to be confusing. So, if we do not give the proper groundwork in our future work together, perhaps it would be good to ask for clarification.

KD:
I like that because it keeps it flexible.

Emissary:
That is one of the "problems" (in quotes) with the "dimensionality need" (in quotes) to name things. Once named, whatever is named - the object, the entity, the awareness, whatever - assumes a certain structure. It is literally put into a box. So, if we think of naming in this way, then flexibility is what results. In your previous encounter with the Orin person, as you may recall, there was an exchange about names. This is one of the things that Orin brought forth early on in our work together: the importance of names. Not only in terms of vibration and labeling, but also the restrictive quality, the definitive quality, of names. There is much that can be discussed in that area, as well. You might write it down in your notes.

So, as much as possible, we will try to keep you "up to date" on the name reference of the Original One.

KD:
So today we are talking about the Original One.

Emissary:
Yes, because in this context Original One could be seen to be the "original one" of the myriad Energy Beings.

[Pause]

Now, as we have said, the Energy Beings creation was inevitable. It was a requirement of the continuation of the Original One's learning more about itself. In that way, the Energy Beings contribute substantially to a geometric exploration in they do so in other ways by also being creative. They create other beings. You can think of them as being at "one layer" - perhaps of an onion. Outside of that layer are more created beings who's origin is the Energy Being or Energy Beings.

KD:
So, you talk about the Energy Beings forming groups, families or associations of like vibration, even though they are all one source. And to me, that implies dimensionality among Energy Beings.

Emissary:
In some ways, yes. Dimensionality began exactly at the beginning of creation. Once the first distinction was made, you see, then there were two, and that is dimensional. And so, to some extent, you can ascribe some dimensionality to everything that is created after the first. The quality and the range of the dimensionality is quite different, however, from your everyday experience in physical dimensionality.

Do you recall that much of the reason for the creation of your physical reality was to fully explore what it would mean for dimensionality to become so rigid and so "solid" that it would become as it is now for you. This is not a quality of dimensionality that Energy Beings experience directly. It is not in their "area" - in their scope of influence or experience. They are dimensional in the sense that they are differentiated. Perhaps that is a better term: differentiated.

So, Energy Beings are differentiated. You can tell one from another. It is possible to do. Energy Beings certainly know each other by their vibrations. And there are a limitless, infinite variety of vibrations, and each "set" of vibrations, of frequencies, is represented by an Energy Being. It is as though radio waves have come to life, in one on metaphor.

KD:
This again is something I try to think it through, take it out as far as I can to come to a place where my mind can't go any more. There is a dimensionality outside of what I understand here, and then the range beyond that, beyond physical….

Emissary:
It is difficult to grasp many concepts about non-dimensionality within a dimensional system. However, let us make a further delineation because we may become confused at a certain point. Let us not think of the Energy Beings as being in a dimensional form of existence. Use rather the term "differentiated," because there is some dimensionality, but it is a "flimsy" dimensionality. It is not something that would make a good deal of sense to three or four or eleven dimensional existence. It would be like folding all dimensionalities in to one "packet," for lack of a better term. It is all things folded into one becomes something like dimensionality for an energy being. So, it is easier to think of them as differentiated. Does this make sense?

KD:
Often, for as long as I can remember, I tried to imagine what it would be like to be an Energy Being. Yeah, the word "differentiated" kind of takes away some of the constraints.

Emissary:
In that way you think of differentiated beings being infinite. Each of them representing a range of "radio-like" frequencies, perhaps?

And so, basically, the Energy Being can be compared to a self-aware set of frequencies. Aware not only of self, but aware also of others, and also aware of where it is in what you would call space and time, but what we would call the "differentiating universe." It is a process.

[Pause]

KD:
Which just expands in all directions?

Emissary:
Yes. Infinitely and in all directions. It "hyper-expands," as well: inside, outside, in all directions.

[Pause]

Part of our difficulty - if we can think of it that way - and we would like to express this. This particular topic is far less structured than our topic from the last time. Time can be treated as a linear thing, even though you are dealing with it in such a way that it is not calendar time. It is a different kind of time, but it still has movement and linearity. It is an arrow, do you see. The discussion or topic of energy beings, because of their nature, is almost completely non-linear. And so, the information is difficult to translate from "out there in the chaos" into something that can be made sense of on paper. What we are hoping is that this one in the transcription, if he chooses to do so, can rearrange things to help make more sense. Until then we will continue in our apparently random discussion.

Is this agreeable?

KD:
Yes, it is fine. I am having a little more difficulty this time compared to last time conceptually. I'm very interested in it, especially in relation to the families that we have. The closest analogy is the physical family of people that come and go in your life. I've always wondered about the extended interrelationships.

Emissary:
Also, there are other things that are "mixed in" and often confused because of one or two aspects of energy beings that might be interesting.

When we speak of a "family" of energy beings, that "family" might actually be part of a "larger" energy being. So that the "group" - the family itself as a group - is self-aware. Everything that exists is aware, including groups. Now, what this means is that, from a certain perspective, there is a "group" of Energy Beings that are related to "humanness." Therefore, all humans are related through their Energy Being group.

If you think of it that way, there is a clear desire to sub-group these Energy Beings in such a way that these sub-groups would represent sub-groups of humanness. And sub-groups, within sub-groups, within subgroups and it can go on logically, or rationally, as long as you wish. We would say to you that, in some ways you can think of it that way, but the relationships are not the same as what you think of from your physical perspective.

The physical perspective of groups and sub-groups and so on, is a projection of the way that you understand physical reality upon a non-physical existence. This is part of some confusion in that when some individuals look at spirituality, they tend to think in terms of things like angels, and archangels, and first-chosen angels, and so on, and so forth. This is not really an accurate description of what is going on in the spiritual dimension.

We would like to find a way to avoid talking about groups and sub-groups and so on, but we are not certain that there is a way to communicate it with the physical dimensionality.

KD:
I'm thinking about, in the Seth material, Seth talks about families of consciousness. And it even goes into that there are so many families of consciousness, and the intent within each family. As, for example, one group being teachers, not in their physical careers, but to teach people in one way or another. And another group being very more creative. But it sounds like, from what you are saying, that even that's just another metaphor parallel to the angels, archangels.

Emissary:
Yes, it is another structure that is useful. It does make sense, and it helps individuals to make sense of spiritual kinds of experiences. "Makes sense" meaning translates from chaos and the unknown into the known within a physical framework. So we are not saying that this is wrong; we are saying that it is one way of looking at something that is not completely accurate.

KD:
I found myself drawn to that at first, just as a means of learning more things about myself that would help me to be more true to my life.

Emissary:
Yes, it is very natural for beings within the phyical space - this time-space-state - to impose a structure that is comprehensible. The trick is to not do that and to allow flexiblity of the spiritual structure to continue for the individual. But it is all part of the mission, part of the way of the individuals involved in these types of groups.

KD:
Yes, it helps. I could never figure out which group I fit into. For a while I would think I was in this one, then that one…

Emissary:
This is because your spirit is much more flexible and free than their structure will allow. And it is because of this, for this reason, that your spirit is bored with the concept. Now, we could say to you for example, that this one [Gerry] could be considered from one of the "teacher" families, could also be considered from one of the "artist" families, or from a "warrior" family, and so on. But doesn't fit into any one of them very well at all.

So, in terms of structure, it is better when looking at spiritual issues and spiritual dimension, to be as flexible as possible and to avoid naming unless necessary.

[Pause]

In terms of families of Energy Beings, we have mentioned that it is possible to think of families as representing or one family as representing humanness. Naturally, there are other families that represent other kinds of beingness. Although they may represent different expressions into physical reality, they are all still connected.

What is important to note is the interconnectedness of all things. It is at the level of the Energy Being that the pattern begins to be set for differentiation and interrelatedness.

KD:
So, you are saying that the pattern for humanness begins on the energy level, not in the physical expression. Not specifically in the DNA, egg and sperm, but in energy pattern.

Emissary:
DNA and eggs and sperms and so on, are the mechanisms in which the spiritual comes through and expresses itself into the physical. There has to be, there must be, a physical building block, a physical key for the expression of spirit to enter into physical reality. And that key is found in the very basic building block of [human?] physical reality, what you call DNA. And of course, all of the subchemicals that go into this and the atoms, and so on. But at one point, you can think of it very clearly as the DNA being the key for spirit to enter into physical reality.

Among living beings - what you call living beings.

KD:
I was just thinking of things that don't have DNA but do have spiritual reality, physical reality. Would that be two different types of differentiation between what we are calling living beings…

Emissary:
It's a possiblity. There are other beings living within this physical space, which share the space with you, but of which you are not particularly aware. One differentiation would be that there are "organic" beings and there are "inorganic" beings. Even though you may pass physically through the same space, you would not be aware of each other. They are experiencing physical reality in quite a different way than the physical reality that humans - or you, if we may be personal - would be experiencing. And they have different keys … they have different keys, different kinds of keys.

Rocks, for example. Do rocks have DNA?

KD:
No. Not that I know of.

Emissary:
They have a different way of expressing into physical reality. They do not die; they are not born.

KD:
Would you consider a rock an inorganic being?

Emissary:
We are speaking more in terms of what you would call living beings, rather than what you would call stones or even trees. Trees are alive. Inorganic beings are different from that entirely. And there are many dimensions of that.

So, part of your physical reality is created by - created with - beings that have no discernible birth, life or death. They have awareness, but you cannot call them necessarily "alive."

They have awareness, they have creativity to some extent. The creativity of the stone is quite different from the creativity of a human, do you see? The stones' awareness expresses itself into physical reality in a certain way and sets up types of perception, as well, just as you do. But you cannot call them "alive" in the sense of living, breating, eating and so on. Does this make sense, yet?

And so the stone's key into physical reality is quite different from your DNA.

KD:
They have different key that opens the same space in order to perceive another differentiation?

Emissary:
There is a different differentiation that also intersects with dimensions. You may recall when we were speaking our last time together, at the point at which the Energy Beings were creating the matrix, there were many layers - think of it as layers or many matrixes that were developed - and some of the energy beings would "specialize" in a certain range. You can think of this "range" as being dimensions, do you see?

So. It may be useful to think of Energy Beings this way: Energy Beings are the creators of physical reality - all aspects of physical reality - and the Energy Beings, or a group of Energy Beings, is playing with a certain range of dimensions of creation, which you relate to as dimensions of physical reality. There are many groups of Energy Beings working with and playing with other "sets of matrices" because creation is moving in all directions.

Focusing not on the macro, but the micro for a moment, the group of Energy Beings working to create the physical reality matrix are the ones that you are most familiar with. Now, there also are other groups of Energy Beings who have selected some of the same dimensions within which to create their matrix, so there is an overlap. What we are calling "inorganic beings" are entities that exist within and just outside the overlap of the dimensions being created by the two groups. And so, while you share much of the dimensionality with them, you don't share them all. This is why you do not completely perceive them. They are "shifted," perhaps.

Making sense?

KD:
I had an experience one time where a being of some sort just kind of peeked around my side and looked at me, then was gone. The way you're speaking … this is an example of a being that shares this physical reality.

Emissary:
Yes, and there are explorers on both sides, do you see?

When we say to you that the universe is infinitely creative, [emphatically] we mean just that!

So. Returning to our story, and it does make some sense to look at Energy Beings in this way, Energy Beings creating the dimensional, physical reality system - and we have defined that as a group of them, Energy Beings of like frequencies, like vibrations … not married, but similarities of what you might think of as their core - some of the group are responsible for, or playfully interested in creating what you would think of as "humans," because, for them, it would extremely interesting to see what living within a solid physical dimensional system would be like.

And so, there are many Energy Beings who "specialize" in creating humans.

And, of course there are others that "specialize" in creating other kinds of living creatures, as well.

Taking a step further down, if we take a look at an individual Energy Being - and much of this will sound very familiar to you - the Energy Being desiring to bring more of the unknown into the known, which is of course the desire of the Original One, may create for itself many different types of humans, humanbeingnesses. And its desire to experience the full richness of the dimensionality is expressed by many, many, many creations of humans. These may be in various times, because, you see, we are still outside the range of time. Until the physical being is expressed into physical reality, time is meaningless. And so the Energy Being expresses itself instantly throughout all of time and whatever contexts that make sense to fulfill its desire for knowledge and to grow, to experience.

Does this sound familiar?

KD:
Oh, yeah. I'm thinking of reincarnations…

Emissary:
And also what the Peter refers to when he is talking about ego-identities connection with the "higher self." Do you see? And of course, that is completely accurate. While you are an expressed manifestation in physical reality of your energy being - in that sense - the connection is not lost, because it is not really a connection.

You are an expression of the energy being within physical reality. That is why we say you are not a physical being trying to figure out how to make it back to spirit. You are spirit in physical reality.

KD:
Or confused by physical reality.

Emissary:
Sometimes this is so. And as long as you think of yourself - not just you, but humans in general - as long as humans think of themselves as physical beings, then they are trapped within a physical reality system, with very rigid laws and very rigid rules, because that is how it is set up, do you see?

KD:
Yeah. I mean that's how I feel a lot of time. I guess I'm still thinking physical. I feel very trapped. I try to turn that around but I try to turn that around and thinking about it from an energy perspective. But if I don't live consciously …. Experience, or I'm just not at a point where I'm in that space a lot of the time. The default setting seems to be back to "I'm a physical being, and there's certain things I can't do." There are a lot of things I can do, but there are certain things I can't do because. It's like a computer that resets itself. You go back and you check it, and you go "How did it get back to this setting again!?" When you change the default, then you do something, and the first thing you know, you're back on the old default.

Emissary:
Yes. And the body, the physical form, is what is constantly being reset. Because it physically is interacting within very strict rules. That does not mean that your spirit is so trapped. You in particular, K, have skills in not being trapped within your physical form. You dream; you dream exquisitely. You move outside of your physical form very easily when you are in a sleeping state.

KD:
I wish I had more conscious awareness. I know it's there.

Emissary:
It will come in time. Here is what you do, as a suggestion, perhaps an exercise for the booklet. While you are in your physical awareness, when you are awake, take some time to feel the expansiveness of the room that you are in, and understand that from a certain perspective, the room is a dream. You are dreaming your life. And because the room is a dream, you are intimately, exquisitely connected with everything in it. You are the table. You are the chair upon which you sit. You are the walls; you are the paint on the walls. You are the boards that maintain the structure of the walls, if you wish. Whatever you can imagine, you are that, because it is a dream.

With some practice in this, you can move through your day with this same sort of awareness. Now, will your body be able to fly? Possibly, but we would suggest not. If you fall from a cliff, even with total awareness of yourself as being the bottom of the ravine, will your body break into parts? Yes, it probably will!

So, this is not an exercise in defying physical laws, do you see? Part of what you are here to do is to experience all of the solidness of the physical space. That is part of why you, the Energy Being, have expressed yourself into this "dreamspace."

KD:
Sometimes it feels very wonderful, all of the feelings and sensations that you can experience here - tastes, smells, touches - and it's exquisite. And other times it's like a prison, and I wonder why anyone would possibly want to do that, it's so limiting?

Emissary:
Because it is part of the learning of the Energy Being is learning to live within limits. And the only way to do that is to create limits, do you see? As an energy being, one is limitless. One can literally whatever one wishes including limits. In order to bring the unknown of limits into the known, they must be created and experienced. And so You, in your physical reality - not of you but of capital You humanness - are assisting the Energy Beings to learn about limits and physical expression, which in turn is assisting the Original One to learn all of itself, as well.

KD:
Would that include appreciating fewer limits as an Energy Being? For me, sometimes experiencing what I don't want helps me define what I want.

Emissary:
From an Energy Being's perspective, that does make some sense. And from an Energy Being's perspective, it would be "Oh, this is a wonderful feeling, nice and warm! And this is joy and this is wonderful! And that is pain; that is wonderful, too! That is disappointment! What an experience! I've smashed my hand with a hammer! That is wonderful; that is experience!"

KD:
Pretty intense.

Emissary:
It can be intense for the physical being; and it feeds the knowledge of the Energy Being [pause], which is you.

Now, you see, we have reached that point at which it becomes quite confusing for the physical body or the part of the Energy Being

[End of tape side one]

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