September 6, 2001

Notes
This session was recorded on the Thursday just preceeding the events at the World Trade Center and Pentagon on Tuesday, September 11. Some of Emissary's comments about calendar time, the media and political structures about two-thirds of the way through the session are interesting in that context. He touches on the connection between Druidic and Toltec knowledge traditions, perhaps this is a precursor to further discussion in later sessions.

Session

KD:
Today is August 6, 2001. Good morning Emissary.

Emissary:
One side note is that perhaps the impact of cause and effect is already effecting you as we understand this is September not August.

KD, DB:
Laughter.

DB:
I didn't notice.

Emissary:
Yes, we picked that up in passing from this one. And he wishes you well on your time journey.

So, is there a specific time frame that we have for our discussion this morning. Is there a concern about length of time?

DB:
I need to leave in an hour and a half and I don't feel concerned about it.

KD:
And I'm free.

Emissary:
Very well. We mention this in perhaps for a note of some kind, that often when we begin our sessions together there is a moment in time where this one and the Emissary energy in its shift, pass like ships in the night. And so in a moment we may pick up on some of the concerns or thoughts of this one. So just a note. It means nothing except perhaps to this one in his ongoing study of this phenomenon.

So, is there something that you wish to discuss. We do understand that there are, if not questions, at least curiosities about cause and effect and allies. Interesting topics, both. Anything further?

KD:
Yes, if you have anything you can add about being in judgment or getting out of judgment if we have time toward the end.

Emissary:
Let us have time toward the beginning. When you think about judgment, when you think about making discernments about others' behaviors or actions or so on. What you are really doing is being caught in consciousness, being caught in mind. So judgment you can think of as a signpost that you're operating from a position within the brain, the consciousness as opposed to awareness. And certainly as different from intelligence.

Do you recall our discussion at the last talk.

DB:
Yes, I've been using that idea of finding the intelligence in certain situation as a way of jumping out of the mind.

Emissary:
In a way, moving outside of judgment as well. Because at the level of awareness even, it becomes clear, it becomes obvious, that there is no right or wrong. There is no judgment possible. Judgment is a discerning. It is this versus that as opposed to is. Does this make sense?

DB:
Yes, and sometimes it makes it weird in a daily situation when someone asks, "What should I do." Well, it doesn't matter. You could do this you could do that.

Emissary:
Exactly so.

DB:
Pick what you want.

Emissary:
Yes.

KD:
There's no emotion attached to it. To me judgment has emotion attached to it and evaluation of good or bad or better or less than.

Emissary:
Yes. In an intra-personal, that is in a personal relationship to the issue of judgment there is emotion usually involved because when you make a judgment you are basically saying to yourself, "I am right and therefore people who do not agree are wrong." And there is an emotional component to this as a general rule because most individuals in this kind of dimensional reality system have a value system which says to them that what they think is better than or more important than what is out there. We have dealt with this issue in a different way some time in the past. But there is that emotional component and it is again a signpost that you are inside of consciousness as opposed to awareness In awareness there is no such thing as what you are thinking of as emotions-pain or hurt or joy, in that sense. In awareness there is only awareness.

Now, we are not saying that you do not have a sense of what you would think of or interpret as joy or fear when you're in the state of awareness. But it is a different quality. It is a different connection. The joy that you would feel in awareness would be a joy that is all encompassing. Your thinkings about heaven is an expression of that. Ultimate joy that knows no bounds. There is no correlation of that within the consciousness definition of joy. So when you feel joy to that extent then you can also see that as a signpost that you have moved out of consciousness and judgment into awareness. It is such an exhilaration that it has also been called a sense of enlightenment.

DB:
Samadhi.

Emissary:
Yes, similar to that.

Now the opposite is also true in a way. Now it is important to recognize that what we are speaking of in terms of awareness is still within what you think of as a realm of differentiation in that awareness also incorporates sensations that are samadhi, enlightenment. And the opposite you could think of as absolute terror, a fear that knows no bounds. It is not necessarily just one way still at the level of awareness. It is not just joy, it is also terror because there is that differentiation. But the quality of them are such as they can be experienced as pure -not emotions, but experiences.

DB:
Are emotions part of the mind? That is the physical?

Emissary:
Yes. You can sample the body chemistry in various emotional states and the chemistry is changed. And so it can move both ways. The individual can move into joy and it changes the body chemistry we would say in a more healthy way because it will cleanse, clean and clarify the body functioning. Joy does that. Happiness does that. And that same is true if the body chemistry is altered. If one were to change the body chemistry through drugs as you call them or other kinds of physically altering chemical activities. Or even physical activities that can offer chemicals.

DB:
Like the runner's high?

Emissary:
Yes, that would be an example. And there are others. This one is, he would say exploring but not yet exploring the idea of body positions as a way of going into trance. There is an entire complex of different kinds of specific body postures that can be held for extended periods of time that alter consciousness.

DB:
In yoga they say hold your hands in a particular position or mudra. For example the index finger and thumb touching and that does one thing, and then you change fingers and that does something else. I thought that if all things are possible why should it be one particular way.

KD:
I'm aware of body positions that do not work for me. Where I have tension and things like that.

DB:
So there is something to body positions that can impact our consciousness or lift us to a higher level.

Emissary:
Yes, certainly change consciousness.

DB:
That would be cool to know those.

KD:
Well, aren't the 24 Little Exercises part of that.

DB:
Can you give one example, Emissary.

Emissary:
Yes, we are searching through he available memory banks for what you would call this. There is a structured organization of this kind of body posturing. This one knows it and will be glad to look it up at another time. We are not certain what it would be called in your language. If we were to explain it to you in a different way it would make less sense than if we knew what you would call it. One example would be what is called in that structure the prince of flowers which is a particular body posture sitting on the floor with the knees bent and the hands held in a particular position. This one is using this for what is called a soul hunt. You are familiar K?

KD:
Yes.

Emissary:
And if held in that posture for an extended period of time will produce very interesting experiences.

Of note, sometimes when there is a term or a concept this one [Gerry] has a name for and he cannot remember it, there is an interference that occurs so we would ask that this one be made aware of such things. And so, he is now aware.

We shall see. We shall see.

Bottom line, there are body postures which change and alter the body chemistry which change and alter the emotions and even change and alter the level of consciousness. What you speak of as the mudras is one of those and it is also specific because of its connection with the energy system. The flow of the energy body can be altered by simply making different connections in different ways. And so that is one application.

[Note added later: Emissary was referring to "Sacred Postures," which I remembered almost immediately after the session ended. Here I learned that the more "I" try to be helpful, the more I actually get in the way. - GS]

So the emotions are within the consciousness. Awareness is a much more refined and immediate and you might say, a different qualitative experience of that differentiation.

Are there more questions in this direction?

KD:
As far as getting out of judgment I've been trying to be more aware when I'm doing it and stop and going back and looking at the reality that there really is and not better or worse. That seems to be helpful. I go through periods where I get very judgmental. I don't find it conducive to my well being.

Emissary:
Yes, and it does affect your experience of happiness.

DB:
So K, do you turn that judgment on yourself?

KD:
Yes, first. I've been trying to bring it back to myself when I have judgment on others. I connect it. And I usually find it comes out of a lack of acceptance of something in myself that I'm trying to project onto somebody else.

DB:
That is what people are there for.

Emissary:
Yes, that is what people are there for in a way. And that is actually quite insightful if you think about it. One way of exploring the inside of oneself, the dynamics, the intrapersonal dynamics of the self, is to make them external so that you can see them out there and you can lay out the issues for yourself and then be able to make some changes. Or to make some.. we would think of the term judgment, but not in a negative sense. In the ability to discriminate or discern what it is you do or do not want to incorporate into the self. It is more difficult to sit by oneself in meditation, for example, and go through all of the permutations and combinations of thoughts, behaviors, opinions, and so on. It is a function of awareness – awareness [as opposed to "consciousness"] – to project out these internal structures into the reality system. You know this but perhaps you have not thought it through.

When you project out onto others you are projecting, of course, what is inside yourself. If you see something in someone that you do or do not like, as you know it is a projection of something within yourself that you do or do not like.

DB:
So the awareness is projecting it and the consciousness is perceiving it and thinking about it and evaluation, judging.

Emissary:
Yes. One does not consciously project onto others. That is quite difficult to do.

DB:
So it is a function of awareness.

Emissary:
Yes, that is correct. What is the goal of awareness? The goal of awareness is to bring the unknown into the known. One way to do that is to clearly discriminate among all the different facets of oneself. So what is in consciousness – in unconsciousness or not in consciousness – becomes known by projecting. What you do with that varies considerably from individual to individual depending on how aware they are of the process. People who are not aware of the process of projecting in any way often go through their lives encountering people they do not like and people they like a great deal and the world becomes divided into the good and the bad. And if they are caught in [the] conscious only, that is how they will experience their existence. Once they are able to understand and, as we would say, take a step back into awareness, then they can see what is going on and then they achieve a level of capability of making changes for themselves.

So the projection is not a bad thing. It is a natural function. It is important to recognize that that is what is happening, first level. It is important to connect then, not just that you know that you are projecting, but also it can be instructive to perceive more deeply. And if you project onto one individual your good qualities, what is there about that individual that makes them a good mirror for you. Why would you not project what you think of as your bad qualities on that particular individual as opposed to another? Why would one project ones so-called bad qualities onto a character such as, well to take an extreme example, Adolf Hitler. Who most agree is the personification of the "evil" qualities of humankind. Why that one? Why Gandhi on the other hand? Why that one? What is there about those particular personalities that receives these projections so readily. Why are they good mirrors?

On a more personal level there are individuals in your life who are good mirrors that are more closely related. So it is not just you. It is not just about you. It is about going beyond what you think of as you as well. It is deeper than that. This is the level of understanding that many of your psychologists, psychiatrists, have not quite reached. Some have but some have not. If they are stuck in the projection and analyzing the projection rather than looking beyond they are missing a part of the learning. Missing a part of the opportunity to explore the reality system.

DB:
So the awareness has great love for the consciousness and is saying, "OK here are some things for you to look at to become more aware." While the consciousness might be saying, "This life is crap." But yet the awareness is bringing things to it like gifts to show it about itself.

Emissary:
Yes, it can be personified that way. It is a metaphor.

DB:
I would answer the question about why the Hitler and why the Gandhi but their actions. To me their actions are what make Hitler the personification of evil, so I'm judging the actions and holding him responsible for it. Example: Killing people is wrong. But as I said a few minutes ago, if there is no right and wrong, then it is just arbitrary.

Emissary:
Not arbitrary in a sense that we understand the term. Not arbitrary. If you look behind their actions, what is it that allowed the actions to occur. What is it that not only permitted the actions but encouraged the actions to occur?

KD:
The energy of their vibration somehow is the same as something within me that allows me to project onto another person. Somehow we overlap energetically at the points of those projections. Really, I don't have a clue.

Emissary:
Good place to begin.

[Laughter]

Emissary:
Yes, we are posing this as a question for consideration. Not something that we are expecting an answer to. But if we may give you a hint, part of the answer has to do with dimensionality. We shall return to the topic later. It is a good homework assignment.

DB:
At other times I would think killing someone would be ok. If someone were harming my children I would have no hesitation about killing them. So the same action but one is judged evil and one is judged heroic or good.

Emissary:
Yes. Interesting point.

So, another topic?

KD:
Allies.

Emissary:
You are interested in what are called allies in that line of philosophical understanding.

DB:
Helpers, guides, angels? Is that what you're talking about?

KD:
I haven't done as much reading as the Toltec knowledge available as I would like to. The reading I have done the allies have a darkness about them. It is almost a parasitic quality. In some instances there is a darkness about them. That may not be true of some other authors that I'm not aware of. But my sense of it is that they use our darker energies for their own. They feed off some of the darker or negative things we project. I guess it is a metaphor.

Emissary:
No, not a metaphor.

KD:
I don't know the reality about it.

DB:
Is it like ghosts or evil spirits?

KD:
I guess some people might call them evil spirits. They're entities. I don't have a good grasp on it. I'm curious about it because I've had a couple of dreams recently and there are things I'm working with in my own energy field and I keep coming back to that. I find it creepy too.

Emissary:
Enjoyable creepy.

KD:
Yes. Some things from Castaneda. I've been reading Don Miguel's "The Four Agreements" and a couple of others and he mentions them.

Emissary:
We are unfamiliar with the author. Is he a re-interpreter of Castaneda's work or a more direct connection?

KD:
He's been trained directly in the Toltec tradition. His mother is Sister Saresa who has done a lot of healing through Christian metaphor. He's an M.D. And he gave up his medical practice and he claims to be a "nagual" himself.

Emissary:
Yes, you're exploring a structure that has a very interesting history and a great deal of power or strength behind it. The Toltec teachings and traditions is one of several that contains knowledge that some would say has been hidden for some long period of time. Not lost perhaps, but hidden. Is what they would say. And they also would say that this knowledge, this tradition, this structure of knowledge, is becoming more and more revealed as the changes in your understanding of reality continues to evolve. And so you would find more teachers of this kind becoming known and sharing more of the knowledge. There are many in your reality system, in your awareness, now than there were in short time passed.

The Toltec tradition can be explored in the same way in what you think of as the Druidic tradition. It is somewhat different from traditions of other cultures of Asia and India, and some of the other islands. It is related in some ways to the aboriginal traditions and understandings from your Australia. It is not specific to any one place. Some time past we were talking about threads of knowledge. Threads of different understandings and traditions and beliefs and so on. Do you recall?

KD:
Yes.

Emissary:
That is essentially the same idea. The Toltec thread is one. The Druidic thread is another. And they are quite similar in their ways of approaching what you could think of as the epistemology of spiritual culture.

Now, what you are seeking to do is follow this thread. And it is a good one for you because of its connection to your dreaming. And it would be a good idea to read more, to learn more. And understand as you're doing the reading and learning is what you are doing is constructing for yourself your way of understanding the unfolding of your own existence. It is not a presentation of how it is. It is a way of organizing your own understanding about yourself and your experience. It's an important point because that point is directly related to your original question about allies.

There is a part of the Toltec tradition which is very dark and spooky. It is incorporated sometimes in the teachings in such a way that it produces fear in the student. And the fear is a strategy. The fear is a strategy that was built into that body of knowledge by those who were developing and discovering some of the qualities of existence as it was actually unfolding over time. And so you will find in many, many pieces of the Toltec teachings that element of fear as a tool. And that fear is a tool to move you off of dead center. Sometimes in the understandings of these early Toltecs it was recognized that if one is happy one does not progress very quickly. If one is satisfied then one makes few changes. So what was introduced was an element that would unsettle the individual. And it became somewhat scary. Do you see?

Now this fear is not necessary. It is not a necessary component of the teachings, but it is a powerful tool. There is a tremendous amount of information to be shared about this particular tradition. We will try to be focused.

Speaking specifically about allies, you are not alone in the universe. Surprise.

[Laughter]

Humans as you know them occupy what you might think of as a small, thin, limited part of an incomprehensible universe. You as humans have an important part in this incomprehensible universe but certainly not the only part. We have spoken in the past about other dimensions, have we not? This dimension and other dimensions slightly out of phase with this one in all directions. This is a multi-mensional existence. It should not be surprising then that other entities would occupy other dimensions slightly out of phase with this one. By identifying a particular vibration of a particular part of a particular universal layer, the what you think of as ancient teachers were able to connect with some of these entities from a different place – a different phase – that exists within the same space, but are in a different dimension at the same time. This line of thinking is not unusual to you, is it?

KD:
No.

Emissary:
So their assertion was that by pursuing particular practices, pursuing particular lines of knowledge and different ways of using the energy body system one could connect with these other entities. And surprise, it works that way. It also works that way for the other side. The ones that are being connected with are ones who are also seeking to make a connection. It would not work to reach out and touch someone who is not interested in being touched. It doesn't work that way. So there is a cooperative connection between the human side and the non-human side. You often have perhaps referred to as inorganic beings. That is not organic, but different. It does not mean stupid. It does not mean animalistic, necessarily. But certainly an awareness that is different from your own. Vastly different from your own.

So, allies are that. And that line of thinking. That is what allies are. They are beings in a different dimensional space that are vastly different from anything comprehensible to an ordinary human. Which is why they don't ordinarily see them. They are here, but you don't necessarily see them. It is your intent that focuses your awareness to change the frequency to allow the reality of these others to become part of your awareness. This is circular, but do you understand? You change the frequency and then you can relate. By definition then, you are in an altered state of being. So you yourself are out of phase with ordinary reality.

So in order to contact these others you must shift your reality system. And this is done in a variety of different ways historically in your past. The term drugs comes to mind, but that is not accurate. The term teacher-plants is better because using that kind of an organic component and bringing it into the body alters the body system, alters the spirit, alters the awareness. And the specific ones used by these ancient teachers alters the body in the direction that contact can be made with these other beings. Once contact is made then the reality of the contact in and of itself can then generate the shift needed… the shift required. That is an older way of looking at things. The newer way of looking at things is that by awareness, through awareness, you can with intent change the system yourself. It is a matter of intent. It is a matter of intent and a matter of flexibility, it is a matter of becoming more knowledgeable or experienced. That is why your work in dreams is your key to this other place. Your work in dreams is the key to communication, to contacting what you are now thinking of as inorganic beings or allies.

DB:
Is that what Gerry does in contacting you?

Emissary:
Yes, one could say this.

DB:
So it is shifting consciousness into a different state of awareness.

Emissary:
Yes. In a way. Hmmmm. [Sigh.] Let us put it this way. From the perspective of awareness, consciousness is a particular way of viewing what you are constructing in terms of ordinary reality. Awareness has the ability to redefine the construct. It is as if through awareness and intention one can tune into a different universe. And one can do this a little bit, or one can do this a lot. It is more difficult to change a lot because that reflects back into the consciousness which is anchored in a particular level of awareness. It is easier for awareness to generate a new consciousness to go that far. Does this make sense?

So, within a certain range we can think of it as frequencies. We believe that there is the notion of lines. That is one way of looking at the whole construct of the universe being made up of filaments or lines which are assembled in a certain place to create the consciousness of this kind of experience. If one moves consciousness from this alignment to a different alignment, reality changes. If you move far enough then you move into the level of awareness of other beings that you have no concept exist at this time. And in so doing you basically disappear from ordinary reality. Disappear, not die, simply vanish because your consciousness can no longer maintain its place within the physical reality system.

The inorganic beings are slightly shifted from the organic, human beings. And so there is some connection possible. But to shift outside of this larger band, what Castaneda talks about as the band of man. Moving outside of that it becomes easier to generate a whole new consciousness for the awareness.

So one way to make such a prodigious leap is for the consciousness of the one to move into the level of awareness to gain the larger perspective. And then become aware of the consciousness of the one outside. Through this mechanism one can connect with, communicate with other beings of oneself, other projections of oneself, within other reality systems entirely. This mechanism explains a great many things when you think about it. It is another way of viewing such things as future and past lives, for example, which you think of as being relatively simple and straightforward perhaps. But in "reality" future and past lives are shifts outside of the ordinary band of man for this reality system now. It's easy to think of them in that way, but again, it is also easy to think of them as everything happening at once. And, in fact, they are.

It is one explanation for how that works. And this is a way that you can travel to other distant galaxies and so on. It is a very powerful view of the way that reality works. It is not the only view, but it is a powerful one that is consistent. It creates a consistent, albeit odd or perhaps some would think crazy way of incorporating ordinary reality and non-ordinary reality into one comprehensive understanding.

One thing to emphasize in this is that the Toltec tradition like the Druidic tradition like the Aboriginal tradition and other cultures that have ancient roots of this kind were creating all of these structures during a time when reality was unfolding. It was unfolding and it was creating itself and it was exploring and it was stretching. And time wasn't that fixed, for example. It stretched itself and so on. What you are having difficulty with in this time is that the unfolding of time is becoming more and more rigid. It is more and more fixed. It is harder to get into tomorrow and yesterday than it was in the past. That is why it seems like this knowledge has been hidden or lost. It is not hidden, it is not lost really. It has always been there. It is a function of how crystallized your perception has become in the past couple of thousand, [or] couple of hundred of your years.

When the Peter (see below) speaks about the "diminishing impact of cause and effect" he is speaking directly to the same thing that we are speaking of in terms of the experiment coming to an end. Time has become so inflexible that it is time to remove its bonds, to pull back that rigid calendar and again let time flow as an experience of bringing the unknown into the known. It is a side effect of that, it is not a calendar. We have spoken about this many times. It is exactly the same thing.

The questions of whether this will be cataclysmic or not are actually quite beside the point. Certainly things that are based on the calendar will continue to move along for a while. Until the underpinnings of what you call your calendar awareness, calendar time, begin to fall away. And calendar time becomes less and less important. This is not to say that it will not be important for some time to come. But it is falling away as we speak. That is why you have experiences of such synchronicity, such odd things happening that seem outside of the bounds of time. That is why there is so much interest in the idea of creating your own reality not from step-by-step structures, but by opening up to the bigger picture of the world and the universe as a whole. That is outside the bounds of time. Every step that you take, in terms of steps, that removes that process-oriented thinking and makes it more free and encompassing of the power of creation removes one more of the underpinnings of calendar time. And each person who does this over and over again you can see unthreading, unraveling calendar time. And the process is accelerating.

Believe us when we tell you this. It will be shortly that you will begin to recognize, if you are not already, that the strength and the power of calendar time is being held up, supported, primarily by what you think of as your media and by your political structures. Mass communication and political organization relies to a great extent on the power and the structure of calendar time. They will be the last to go. As the media and the political structures become less and less relevant and important, calendar time will also become less and less important. And we are speaking to you in terms of historical unfolding.

What the Peter speaks of is more of a personal experience of this unfolding. When he speaks of the diminishing impact of cause and effect he is speaking of the day-to-day creation of your experience in reality system. So he is speaking of that personal experience. And it is true. That is how it will unfold for you. It is not a metaphor. It is not a dream.

As calendar time becomes less important, then the way you think about creating and organizing in what we call assembling your reality system will alter phenomenally because your consciousness will no longer be stuck with the notion of process. And when consciousness can let go of the notion of process then you will find your ability to create and assemble your reality system is far more flexible because the power of creation is unleashed. You may also find then that it is much easier to shift from judgment and from emotional liability to a more consistent and enlightened way of viewing reality which we speak of sometimes as being in connection with awareness. Calendar time has done some very interesting things to your awareness. And when it is no more, some very fascinating things can happen for your creating experience. Your experience of creating and your creating of experience…it works both ways.

KD:
When I think I've got something it just kind of slips away. I don't go to a job from 8-5 and that has loosened up my experience of time. And it's kind of like magic. I'm wondering if that's going to happen in my lifetime because when you're speaking in terms of historical events that seems like geological time to me because I don't know if I will ever see any of it personally.

Emissary:
And a mini-quiz: why do you think that is? In terms of what we were describing earlier that you think it will take forever and you may not see it in your lifetime?

KD:
Because of the way my awareness is oriented around calendar experience.

Emissary:
Yes, with one slight alteration. it is not your awareness, but your consciousness. Consciousness and your thinking of process is stuck within calendar time. It becomes very confusing and looks impossible to consciousness that any of this can ever really happen particularly in what one projects as "my lifetime." "My lifetime" is calendar time. That is the way you think of my lifetime, X number of days, years, eons if you wish. It is stuck within calendar time. Think of it this way, if you can move into awareness and give up the notions of calendar time as much as you can within the current reality system that you are understanding. In other words, there are meetings that happen at certain times and so on. Fine, not a problem. Continue. But move into awareness. Spend time in awareness and outside of the system of cause and effect and you will see with persistence that it unravels. It unravels. And you will have more experiences of, "Which day is this?" and so on.

Some of your experiences you may find are imposed upon you because of the macro-shift. This is not an individual experience. This is an experience of all humans. And so as the system changes as a whole, some of the changes affect you and it may seem like things are out of your control. Does this make sense?

Like [one] cannot remember what day it is. Well, part of that has to do with how time is stretching for everything. But we do not wish to go into that kind of analysis now. But moving into awareness is the key to helping unravel all of this.

And we need to share with you again that one of the reasons that Orin appears in this time space for this one [Gerry], is that Orin is from one part of the formation of the structure of that kind of thinking that we are labeling Druidic for lack of a better term. It is quite different, but we will go with that. Orin holds the door open to awareness within the context of the milieu of Emissary, Red Bear and Orin. Orin holds the key to awareness. He was, you may think of it as one of the originals. Or we might say is one of the originals.

KD:
An ancestor?

Emissary:
You remember we were speaking in terms of the Toltec that as that structure was being developed, it was being developed by the ancient ones. Orin is a reflection of one of these characters. One of these characters. Now we say Orin is a reflection of because he is a reflection of something even older. Even older. So his knowledge is connected in a deep way to the origins of that kind of teaching which over time has been differentiated into different names: Toltec, Druid, Aboriginal and so on. It is all one knowledge. It is differentiated into different understandings. Do you understand?

And so, that is why Orin is sometimes so persistent. There is much that he would like to share. And we are in a sense laying the groundwork for him. Do you see?

So, we feel as if we have been on a long journey. Were there other questions?

DB:
When you spoke about Druid, Toltec sort of thread it made me think of what I'm studying. The yoga, the Chinese qigong and it feels much very like it is the same thread. But it feels different the Druid, etc.

Emissary:
Yes, your instinct is correct. It is a different thread and one reason why we circumscribed - took it out of the discussion earlier, is because it is a different thread. It is different in this kind of way. If we think of knowledge as being one thing. It is all one knowledge. The beginning of the differentiation, the first differentiation of that knowledge occurred very early on in the creation of this system. And the nature of that first differentiation was what you might think of as masculine/feminine. There are many different kinds of labels for this differentiation, but you can think of it in this context as masculine/feminine. To one side the masculine side, you find a rich and deep and masculine forceful and so on understanding of the knowledge. To the feminine a rich and deep and receptive and open understanding of the knowledge. These two branches, dividing early on, created two different understandings. And what you are speaking of in terms of your yogic and other energy work from that particular arena is more from the feminine. And so they are quite different. It is difficult since that split to communicate that. So in order to speak with you we would have to use a different kind of language than with the Toltec We will share with you that part of the reason you are in this group is because of your experience and this root which you represent. So in our little group of three we have the division, a reflection of the division. Interesting, no?

We are wishing at some point to speak more about that branch. But time weighs upon us. This one is needing a break if not an end to the session. Is there anything that we, or you, would like to discuss before ending our time together. Have we answered all questions, and more?

DB:
Yes, my mind is full.

KD:
Yes, I have more questions about the allies, but I have enough for now.

Emissary:
Yes, that is quite a topic.

So we have at least two future sessions together.

[Laughter]

There being nothing else, it has been a very full morning. Once again, we greatly appreciate your energies, your willingness to be with this one and assist us in this communication.

So, until we meet again, Bon journo.

KD, DB:
Thank you Emissary